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It's “That Guy… Who Was in That Thing” meets "WTF" but with people even less well known! Sure it's fun to interview the crazy famous and ask them about the difficult years, but that's been done. Memories are plastic - we're getting the real dirt from people still crawling through it. Laura Scruggs is the playwright and Jake Scruggs is the technical guy who listens to a lot of “This American Life” and thinks that qualifies him to interview people.

Apr 16, 2018

Originally released Feb 24, 2014.
The first of two episodes where the hosts talk about failures.

0:01:40 - Josh Force ( is the graphic designer behind Laura's impending website. Note from the future Laura’s website is done and here: Jake is very proud of the SSL/TLS certification.
0:02:15 - Laura Force: Porn star?
0:04:50 - What happened to Bryn and social media?
0:09:13 - Apparently Facebook is <redacted>. Jake breaks it down courtesy of Veritasium
0:15:50 - The theme of this podcast is Failure. Nilsa goes first.
0:22:20 - Nilsa is a complete professional.
0:22:58 - Bryn talks about how getting laid off from Motorola was heralded by a spooky "subjectless meeting" with his boss appearing on his calendar.
0:27:20 - "Arsenic and Old Lace" may have gotten Bryn promoted.
0:30:00 - Nilsa married her college sweetheart - a division III basketball player. Oh yeah.
0:35:27 - An early mid-life crisis.
0:37:40 - It happened in tech.
0:39:55 - Now she has this theatre company
0:42:30 - Bryn's failings in relationships and jobs
0:46:30 - The School at Steppenwolf
0:50:30 - How did Bryn's marriage go from nice suburban house and wine parties to divorce?
0:54:40 - "You guys were awesome roommates."
0:59:30 - Bryn and relationship overlap
1:02:45 - Breaking the overlap cycle
1:11:40 - Laura is performing at "Loose Chicks"

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Intro Music: "Are You Famous, Yet?" - Laura Scruggs. Outro Music: "AYFY 1" - Christopher Kriz